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Necro900
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(11-08-2017, 02:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Evilchris

- DigitalCentralMedia : 75 / 100
- IGN Italy: 60 / 100
- Hobby Consolas : 57 / 100
- Destructoid : 55 / 100
- IGN Spain : 55 / 100
- Polygon : 50 / 100
- FingerGuns : 50 / 100
- MetroGameCentral : 40 / 100

delta_reg
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(11-08-2017, 03:48 PM)

Originally Posted by down 2 orth

Why do they still make Sonic games... do enough people buy them?

Yes. And besides, Mania was awesome. People just want good games, which Sonic Team seems to be incapable of delivering now.
redfox088
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(11-08-2017, 10:55 PM)
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I feel like the reviews on this game are harsher because Mania may be fresh on the minds of some of these reviewers...not that they’d admit it. I feel bad for it honestly...after all the garbage/mediocrity that came before Mania, sonic forces being the game that releases a few months right behind the best sonic game in 20 years is just plain bad luck.
kunonabi
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(11-08-2017, 10:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by redfox088

I feel like the reviews on this game are harsher because Mania may be fresh on the minds of some of these reviewers...not that they’d admit it. I feel bad for it honestly...after all the garbage/mediocrity that came before Mania, sonic forces being the game that releases a few months right behind the best sonic game in 20 years is just plain bad luck.

There is certainly some of that prideful "fans do it better" mentality but the game still looks pretty bad and pandering to the worse parts of the fanbase with the OC stuff was always a bad sign.
Wubbys
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(11-08-2017, 11:10 PM)
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played it while i was at pax and it was awful. im suprised to see anything over a 6.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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(11-09-2017, 12:52 AM)
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Sonic Team needs to stop making Sonic games and fans should create a petition to get Sega's attention.
Grits N Gravy
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(11-09-2017, 12:53 AM)
It's good

Also wow my account got approved
deadpixels
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(11-09-2017, 01:26 AM)
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I had a feeling after demoing the game at E3 that things weren't going to end up too hot. It's a shame, seems like one step forward, one step back when you consider just how fantastic Sonic Mania was. The Blue Blur just can't get a break.
celsowmbr
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(11-09-2017, 01:27 AM)
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playstationlifestyle review:

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...-ps4/#/slide/1

8.0/10
ahmapples
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(11-09-2017, 01:28 AM)
It's something else when a fan makes a better game than your own company has in more than a decade.
IpsoFacto
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(11-09-2017, 12:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by down 2 orth

Why do they still make Sonic games... do enough people buy them?

Sonic Generations sold quite well. Same with Colors and Sonic:Lost World. But apparentely Sonic Boom: Ryse of Lyric sold poorly. So you'd think SEGA and Sonic Team would get the message...
cireza
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(11-09-2017, 02:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by IpsoFacto

Sonic Generations sold quite well. Same with Colors and Sonic:Lost World. But apparentely Sonic Boom: Ryse of Lyric sold poorly. So you'd think SEGA and Sonic Team would get the message...

So all previous games made by Sonic Team sold well, so yeah, they got the message.
MvCSpiderman
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(11-09-2017, 03:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by IpsoFacto

Sonic Generations sold quite well. Same with Colors and Sonic:Lost World. But apparentely Sonic Boom: Ryse of Lyric sold poorly. So you'd think SEGA and Sonic Team would get the message...

Originally Posted by cireza

So all previous games made by Sonic Team sold well, so yeah, they got the message.

Eh?

Generations was a long term burn.

And Sonic Lost world didn't even sell 1 million as of the last sale s number and flopped and boom foppee even worse. Then you had Sonic 4 episode 2 before lost world.

Sonic been on a heavy sales decline since 2011.
MvCSpiderman
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(11-09-2017, 03:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by redfox088

I feel like the reviews on this game are harsher because Mania may be fresh on the minds of some of the reviewers.

Just like a lot of mania praise reviews came from bad sonic games fresh on some minds. If Mania came out in 2003-4 it's still score good but aybe high 70's. If it came out in 2006 it likely would have gotten 90 's on metacritic/game rankings.

That's the issue with sonic. People aren't rating the last few decent scoring Sonic games because of the games themselves (mostly) but for "relief" from the last big bad game(s).


Originally Posted by down 2 orth

Why do they still make Sonic games... do enough people buy them?

Considering the rapid sales decline since 2011 people are fed up.
Memorabilia
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(11-09-2017, 03:42 PM)
Bargain bin fodder. Will be $10 in no time.
rexpro
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(11-09-2017, 03:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Partious

The internet is ready to hate this game.
The "Mania = good, Forces = trash" narrative has been in place for about a year.
The internet media conveniently forget the high scores they gave to Generations and Colors when they talk about sonic just not working in 3d.
Trashing this game will bring in the clicks.
It's all about the clicks and the circlejerk of hate. You've gotta give the people what they want and any reviewer should be wary of giving this game a good score regardless of whether or not they enjoy it, if they care about their internet journalist credibility.
I expect some "I had fun but nitpick nitpick nitpick 5/10" reviews and also 1/10 from the likes of Jim Sterling.

Jim Sterling.does not review video games since...well a lot of time. Rest assured he won't be giving it any score
GeekyDad
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(11-09-2017, 04:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by IpsoFacto

Sonic Generations sold quite well. Same with Colors and Sonic:Lost World. But apparentely Sonic Boom: Ryse of Lyric sold poorly. So you'd think SEGA and Sonic Team would get the message...

Originally Posted by cireza

So all previous games made by Sonic Team sold well, so yeah, they got the message.

Yeah, I'm thinking the message was directed more at marketing than anything else.
Stormblessed
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(11-09-2017, 04:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by rexpro

Jim Sterling.does not review video games since...well a lot of time. Rest assured he won't be giving it any score

Funnily enough, he did an impressions video and both likes the game and thinks it's better than most are crediting it. His review would have pulled the average up.
Social
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(11-09-2017, 04:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by rexpro

Jim Sterling.does not review video games since...well a lot of time. Rest assured he won't be giving it any score

He only just stopped though.
Junahu
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(11-09-2017, 04:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by MvCSpiderman

Considering the rapid sales decline since 2011 people are fed up.

I too like to pretend that the WiiU was a successful console.
cireza
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(11-09-2017, 05:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by MvCSpiderman

Considering the rapid sales decline since 2011 people are fed up.

Watch as Forces sells more than Lost World and Generations.
Jhn
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(11-09-2017, 05:06 PM)
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My takeaway from this thread is that Famitsu are either morons, in the pocket of publishers, or blindly nationalistic.
The Stig
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(11-09-2017, 05:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

Please stop with the paranoia.

Colors and Generations were very well received. They received positive reviews and are looked at, overall, very fondly even here on GAF.

But Adventure 1 and 2 have aged badly. Lost World is a bad game. Sonic 06 is one of the worst games I've ever played. Unleashed is an average game where half of it is good and the other half is not.

Forces has almost never looked good in any of its showings. The "Mania = good, Forces = trash" narrative you speak of existed because Mania looked great from its unveiling while Forces has never had a good showing.

And now it looks like the game turned out to be bad. There is no conspiracy. Sonic 3D games are usually not very good, it's as simple as that.

Excellent response.

YES, the sonic cycle and 3D sonic games have become almost a mean stereotype, however there is good reason for it.

This game is trash. My neighbor got it for his kid (he'll play ANY sonic game regardless of shittiness) and even he said it sucks.
IpsoFacto
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(11-09-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Sonic Forces got a 3.5/5 out of Hardcore Gamer

Another slighty above-average review.
Toadthemushroom
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(11-09-2017, 06:22 PM)
I'm surprised Eurogamer didn't slap an "Avoid" rating onto their review, but maybe it's a reflection of how Sonic fans can't resist poorly rated Sonic games. Anecdotally nearly every Sonic fan I know has picked it up, which is crazy.

Would be interesting to know what proportion of sales are from fans rather than, say, Winter holiday gifts.
HyGogg
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(11-09-2017, 07:28 PM)
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I think this game, despite the bad reviews, is going to get a bit of a bump from Mania, which has rejuvenated a lot of nostalgia for the franchise, and repaired perceptions about the early part of its legacy.

I will not be picking it up. I may Redbox it if I have a slow weekend, though.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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(11-09-2017, 07:34 PM)
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Go buy Sonic Mania and forget about this until it goes on sale for 10 bucks.
NeoMetallix
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(11-09-2017, 07:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by HyGogg

I think this game, despite the bad reviews, is going to get a bit of a bump from Mania, which has rejuvenated a lot of nostalgia for the franchise, and repaired perceptions about the early part of its legacy.

I will not be picking it up. I may Redbox it if I have a slow weekend, though.

We’ll see about that. Many critics praised Sonic 4 too. It’s only a matter of time until they turn on Mania claiming it wasn’t that great and Sonic was never good.
Killdozer
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(11-09-2017, 07:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dr. Kitty Muffins

Go buy Sonic Mania and forget about this until it goes on sale for 10 bucks.

Yup.
Had a $10 Best Buy cert show up yesterday so I just went and bought Sonic Mania on the Switch. Cost $9.99. Played the first Zone last night. Pretty solid.
Sub Boss
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(11-09-2017, 08:10 PM)
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this game is 500 pesos on the eshop, thats almost the price of an indie and waaaay less than a 3DS game

Originally Posted by The Stig

Excellent response.

YES, the sonic cycle and 3D sonic games have become almost a mean stereotype, however there is good reason for it.

This game is trash. My neighbor got it for his kid (he'll play ANY sonic game regardless of shittiness) and even he said it sucks.

your neighbor or his kid
The Stig
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(11-09-2017, 08:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sub Boss

this game is 500 pesos on the eshop, thats almost the price of an indie and waaaay less than a 3DS game


your neighbor or his kid

the kid.

i also played it a few minutes.
Z3M0G
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(11-09-2017, 08:39 PM)
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Do these games actually sell? How do they keep getting made? Or do they only cost $10 to develop?
Lovely Salsa
List of trash:
FTL
Chivalry
Shovel Knight
Divinity Original Sin
Broken Age
Kentucky Route Zero

I also dislike graphic novels, bus stops, maps, reading for kids, classical music, board games, opera, art, and geiger counters.
(11-09-2017, 09:20 PM)
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Just bought it on eshop and downloading now

Cant wait!
Ristifer
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(11-09-2017, 10:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Partious

The internet is ready to hate this game.
The "Mania = good, Forces = trash" narrative has been in place for about a year.
The internet media conveniently forget the high scores they gave to Generations and Colors when they talk about sonic just not working in 3d.
Trashing this game will bring in the clicks.
It's all about the clicks and the circlejerk of hate. You've gotta give the people what they want and any reviewer should be wary of giving this game a good score regardless of whether or not they enjoy it, if they care about their internet journalist credibility.
I expect some "I had fun but nitpick nitpick nitpick 5/10" reviews and also 1/10 from the likes of Jim Sterling.

Or the game blows.
Lovely Salsa
List of trash:
FTL
Chivalry
Shovel Knight
Divinity Original Sin
Broken Age
Kentucky Route Zero

I also dislike graphic novels, bus stops, maps, reading for kids, classical music, board games, opera, art, and geiger counters.
(11-09-2017, 10:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lovely Salsa

Just bought it on eshop and downloading now

Cant wait!

Yea, 7 missions in and I already regret it
ape2man
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(11-09-2017, 10:47 PM)
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So when buying it for switch the best experience is putting it in your mouth and enjoy the bitter taste.
Ravidrath
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(11-09-2017, 10:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by ckaneo

Is there any proof of this? Is it possible they have different taste?

Genuinely curious.

I may be the only person here who can actually confirm that, yes, Famitsu scores are influenced by money.

Arc System Works published my game, Skullgirls, in Japan. Famitsu gave us straight 8s, and our Arc PR rep was so surprised.

"I just sent the game for them to check it out, and everyone was so surprised when they reviewed it! It got such a good score and we didn't pay anything!"

My understanding is that there is usually a base review fee, and then you can sweeten the score with additional funding. With fewer games being released in Japan these days, we may have gotten lucky getting reviewed without paying the review fee.
lensoftruth
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(11-10-2017, 12:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ravidrath

I may be the only person here who can actually confirm that, yes, Famitsu scores are influenced by money.

Arc System Works published my game, Skullgirls, in Japan. Famitsu gave us straight 8s, and our Arc PR rep was so surprised.

"I just sent the game for them to check it out, and everyone was so surprised when they reviewed it! It got such a good score and we didn't pay anything!"

My understanding is that there is usually a base review fee, and then you can sweeten the score with additional funding. With fewer games being released in Japan these days, we may have gotten lucky getting reviewed without paying the review fee.

I remember them being unreliable in the 16bit gen.
ShirAhava
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(11-10-2017, 12:32 AM)
Casino Forest is my jam....only good thing I can say about this game.

The Hedgehog Engine/HE2 is TIRED and needs to be replaced with something better

Its been ten freaking years!
Link1110
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(11-10-2017, 04:14 AM)
I watched a review and it's basically just "it's good, but more of the same." In other words the same review every Mega Man game got back in the day and I enjoyed those. Is there anything actually bad about Sonic Forces, or is it a "letdown" in the same way Mega Man 4 on were "letdowns?"
Jhn
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(11-10-2017, 06:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ravidrath

I may be the only person here who can actually confirm that, yes, Famitsu scores are influenced by money.

Arc System Works published my game, Skullgirls, in Japan. Famitsu gave us straight 8s, and our Arc PR rep was so surprised.

"I just sent the game for them to check it out, and everyone was so surprised when they reviewed it! It got such a good score and we didn't pay anything!"

My understanding is that there is usually a base review fee, and then you can sweeten the score with additional funding. With fewer games being released in Japan these days, we may have gotten lucky getting reviewed without paying the review fee.

Interesting.
Bucket-o-roadkill
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(11-10-2017, 09:51 AM)
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After watching a few videos of this on Youtube, I'm glad I didn't preorder. There's an especially damning one showing the first enemies of the past half dozen games or so, and some at least have an attack, some take notice of sonic and come after him in pursuit but Forces the first robot literally stands there. And does absolutely nothing.

Other stuff is just weird like the level design which is so angular, simple and poorly done. Massive groups of rings clumped together like no other games before, it's utterly bizarre. Stuff like you'd expect to see put online if there was a Sonic level maker released to the public.

Huge sonic fan here, hoping this has a Sonic 06 effect and they either forget this happened and go back to key members of the Generations team, or finally hand the reigns over to a team of people who have PROVED that they have a clue. You know who I mean.
Lovely Salsa
List of trash:
FTL
Chivalry
Shovel Knight
Divinity Original Sin
Broken Age
Kentucky Route Zero

I also dislike graphic novels, bus stops, maps, reading for kids, classical music, board games, opera, art, and geiger counters.
(11-10-2017, 10:00 AM)
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With friends I feel like I can accomplish anything

Is it possible to get a refund on estore?
Diablos
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(11-10-2017, 12:15 PM)
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Ok Sega, please get this game out of your colon completely so we can have Sonic Mania 2.

Take some Dulcolax

GET IT OUTTTT
Shotgun Kiss
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(11-10-2017, 01:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lovely Salsa

With friends I feel like I can accomplish anything

Is it possible to get a refund on estore?

Nope. And sorry for being blunt, but I can't comprehend why you took that gamble. It's not as if the Sonic series doesn't have a precedent for releasing bad games. Plus, aren't digital versions of physical games usually outrageously expensive? You should have bought a physical copy.
Shotgun Kiss
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(11-10-2017, 01:13 PM)
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Sorry, double post.
Sub Boss
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(11-10-2017, 02:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ravidrath

I may be the only person here who can actually confirm that, yes, Famitsu scores are influenced by money.

Arc System Works published my game, Skullgirls, in Japan. Famitsu gave us straight 8s, and our Arc PR rep was so surprised.

"I just sent the game for them to check it out, and everyone was so surprised when they reviewed it! It got such a good score and we didn't pay anything!"

My understanding is that there is usually a base review fee, and then you can sweeten the score with additional funding. With fewer games being released in Japan these days, we may have gotten lucky getting reviewed without paying the review fee.

MaMa Mia!
MvCSpiderman
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(11-10-2017, 03:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by HyGogg

I think this game, despite the bad reviews, is going to get a bit of a bump from Mania, which has rejuvenated a lot of nostalgia for the franchise, and repaired perceptions about the early part of its legacy.

I will not be picking it up. I may Redbox it if I have a slow weekend, though.

Mania hasn't even sold 1 million yet iirc
MvCSpiderman
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(11-10-2017, 03:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Junahu

I too like to pretend that the WiiU was a successful console.

Sonic games only came out on the Wii u?

Originally Posted by cireza

Watch as Forces sells more than Lost World and Generations.

Considering the last time a Sonic game sold 3 million copies was Heroes in 2003 im going to say unlikely

Originally Posted by Link1110

I watched a review and it's basically just "it's good, but more of the same." In other words the same review every Mega Man game got back in the day and I enjoyed those. Is there anything actually bad about Sonic Forces, or is it a "letdown" in the same way Mega Man 4 on were "letdowns?"

Megaman 6 wasn't really good at all. Not to mention stage design got worse in 7. Can't recall another time period were megaman got much more if the same reviews outside X4, X5, and X6, in which two of those are bad anyway.
SegaShack
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(11-10-2017, 04:14 PM)
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I loved Generations. Would I enjoy this game too?

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